self talk

[11:45AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: thanks Ganesh for sharing that inspiring newsprint....��
[11:46AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: though it was risky but probably done by a guy who knew what he was doing
[11:47AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: many may emulate him after reading this story and burn fingers without realizing the preparation and safety net behind his trade
[11:49AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: if this feat can be even approximately repeated by him often, he is a genuine genius.even if it was a ultra bold gamble of him and he decides to call it a day, still too great
[11:49AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: but certainly inspiring from few angles
[11:51AM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Js ji - I thought of asking you this question many times but somehow didn't.
After doing extensive research on this - I am of the opinion - does FII use charts or any other technical indicators?
I somehow feel they have predecided everything and play accordingly.
Others like us justify their games by linking it to charts or technicals.
Don't you agree?
[11:52AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: in addition to shubh labh, I want sure labh, surakshit labh, nirantar labh
[11:54AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: imo, operators don't use “charts"
[11:54AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: lions don't have time tables
[11:55AM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: How can all FII consolidatedly act together and profit - I feel even in that only those ones who have got money power are playing the game
[11:56AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: operators must be having cartels, and there must be only a few, smaller ones falling in place and towing line
[11:57AM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: So then I guess they may wantedly doesn't breach few levels so that to trap everyone after entering
[11:57AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: operators don't win or lose.they scavenge.they suck.they are leaches.they are in the middle of everything
[11:57AM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: OK
[11:57AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: yes true
[11:58AM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: So their idea is to not to lose the value of their investments but at least maintain it without any erosion and make meager profit by hedging if possible
[11:59AM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: operators of China don't fight with those of Europe or America.and vice versa.they dance in sync, whatever.they adjust and take advantage
[11:59AM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: So FII all over the world operate same way then and they see consolidatedly
[12:00PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: So nothing to lose for them and it's all the retail investors money at stake
[12:00PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: they needn't worry about wealth erosion.they are the deciders reaction to parameters, at time even parameters.they have got all the money at their disposal.
[12:01PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: amounts we can't even dream, let alone think
[12:02PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: yes
[12:02PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: So the main idea should be understanding their logic rather than any technicals
[12:02PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Agreed js ji - it's all played he them
[12:02PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: like mafia they are interconnected interdependent.having tacit understanding
[12:03PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Js ji other thing I noticed - they are playing the same way not just in index but also in all the stocks
[12:03PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: we can understand them as we can understand movement of planets even when they are astronomical in size
[12:04PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I am of the opinion now they know the results of the companies much before their announcement and data as proved it in few stocks
[12:04PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: yes, for them, stocks and indices are like minute and hour hands of the trading clock
[12:05PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I was no one 8-9 months before
[12:05PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: insiders always know results beforehand.obviously.outsiders always have access to insiders.insiders are humans
[12:06PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: After reading your blogs and joining this and reading your messages. I am happy to get into trading and get decent understanding and somehow fell that I am able to get their logic - big hatsoff to you
[12:07PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: keep learning.be a non sheep
[12:08PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Yesterday I was able to see in few stocks these people had first hand information on results previous day and change the price during the results day
[12:08PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Yeah every day is a learning process and I love that
[12:09PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: traders should gradually develop habit of accumulating distributing instead of just getting in out in single shots.habits of operators will work even at minuscule level
[12:09PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Guru Mysore: Inherent stop loss is the best thing in options..
[12:09PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: 1000%
[12:10PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I am just having sleepless nights everyday just thinking what sort of analysis to be done
[12:10PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: amateurs should only trade in naked calls or puts
[12:10PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Please share your learnings on accumulation and distribution
[12:10PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: sleepless nights clarify the clutter best after a level
[12:11PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: still learning
[12:11PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Hmmm agreed js ji
[12:11PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: recently shifted my focus on this
[12:12PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: enter and exit in steps is the simplified version of accumulation and distribution
[12:13PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: when and whether operators could or couldn't accumulate or distribute are the biggest hints of the truth behind the market moves
[12:13PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Don't you think heding in steps won't be possible
[12:15PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: there is big big big money in trading.but comes only when you “crack the code"
[12:15PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Hedging is not the best option - ignore it seem stupid question
[12:15PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Yes sir ji
[12:16PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Js ji were u able to see any equation between stocks and index of Fii investments?
[12:16PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: and when that happens, it is not only rains but cloud burst.....of money
[12:16PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Hmmmm
[12:17PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I am witnessing that from past few days obviously in my scale as such
[12:18PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I felt they play the same way across all - whether nifty / bank nifty / stocks
[12:18PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Rather their logic is simple and it is uniform
[12:20PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I am just trying to get as many as inputs from you as possible - so I can further work on the inputs which you give
[12:21PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: stocks are levers issues operators control indices.rather, stocks (sectoral, macro economical) dynamics tell operators where to see indices heading.it won't be wrong to say that operators control sectors and not indices.the remaining world looks at indices only. for operators indices are only additional stocks
[12:22PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: operators are just accumulators distributors and commission agents (read premium eating facilitators)
[12:23PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Hmmmmm that's the logic for their operations
[12:23PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: imo
[12:23PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: built over all these years, seeing all that I did
[12:24PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Wow
[12:24PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: I repeat
[12:25PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: traders should gradually develop habit of accumulating distributing instead of just getting in out in single shots.
[12:25PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: for that you need to trade small and gradually build up
[12:25PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Hmm that's important js ji - will try to work towards that.
[12:26PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Sorry js ji other question - they usually build the boundary every month within which they work - am I right?
[12:26PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: even one sided (only buy) cash and carry practice of this with stocks is a great start.it Will gradually build the habit and method operators use
[12:26PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: Some circumstances they collapse and widen it bit more - so no one will have clue
[12:27PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: directions rather than boundaries I would say
[12:28PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: That's interesting js ji - direction is the key here
[12:28PM, 29/08/2015] Mudraa Sandeep Chennai: I will back test it
[12:28PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: yes IMO
[12:28PM, 29/08/2015] jagmohanshan: any pro trend trade, even if momentary wrong will go right in the end or will not go terribly wrong atleast